The Modern Pain Podcast
The Modern Pain Podcast
This isn’t another show about fixing people. Modern Pain Care Beyond the Fix is where clinicians, thinkers, and changemakers come to explore a more human, evidence-aligned, and sustainable approach to helping people in pain. Real conversations. Practical insights. No fluff. If you’re ready to grow beyond protocols and start practicing with more clarity, confidence, and connection—you’re in the right place.
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The Back Pain Myths Making Recovery Harder (Part 1)

In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you've ever struggled to help a patient move p...

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Dec. 14, 2025

The Back Pain Myths Making Recovery Harder (Part 1)

In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you've ever struggled to help a patient move p...
Dec. 7, 2025

Why "Manual Therapy" Holds OMPT Back (Fellowship Director Responds)

I sit down with Mark Shepherd, fellowship program director, to tackle a controversial question: Is the "manual therapy" label holding back our profession?
Nov. 30, 2025

Chronic Pain, Lifestyle, and Data: How Pain Coach Helps Clinicians See What Really Matters

In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, Mark sits down with physiotherapist and Pain Coach founder Lachlan Townend to unpack how lifestyle data, clinical reasoning, and tech can finally work together instead of against each other.
Nov. 16, 2025

The Existential Crisis Every Manual Therapist Should Have

Richard shares his journey from biomechanical certainty to embracing uncertainty, and how that shift has made him a better clinician and mentor.
Nov. 2, 2025

The Psychological Flexibility Clinicians Need (But Don't Have)

Pain management requires psychological flexibility—not just for patients, but for clinicians too. Bronnie Lennox Thompson reveals why embracing uncertainty builds better therapeutic relationships than projecting false certain...
Oct. 12, 2025

Acceptance, Agency & Chronic Headaches: How Benjamin Reclaimed His Life

Chronic pain doesn’t have to steal your purpose. In this episode, Benjamin shares how he’s navigated life with cluster headaches—and how he’s turning his journey into a mission to help others. Key takeaways How Benjamin first experienced his illness and what followedWhy acceptance became a turning …

About the Host

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Mark Kargela

Host / Clinician / Faculty / Father / Husband

Mark Kargela is a physical therapist, educator, and founder of Modern Pain Care. With over two decades of clinical experience, Mark brings a refreshing, human-first approach to pain care—one that ditches the fix-it model and empowers both patients and clinicians to engage with complexity, uncertainty, and meaningful change. This podcast is where clinical skill meets real-life context, challenging outdated norms and offering conversations that help you grow your practice, your mindset, and your impact.

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"I’ve loved this podcast from its birth and so happy to hear Dr Kargela is not letting it go! The topics are always relevant to my day to day experiences as a physical therapist and I find the discu…"

Feb. 4, 2023 · John Tyschyk

Top Physical Therapy Podcast

"Great, informative podcast. All orthopedic PTs who treat patients with persistent pain should listen."

Feb. 4, 2023 · Christie Pong

Love it!

"The MPC crew consistently provide an up-to-date and nuanced take on the state of pain management and the physical therapy landscape. Highly recommended!"

Feb. 4, 2023 · Zachary Huff

Why I love my career again

"As a recent Chiropractic grad, I am beyond happy I came across this podcast. I have always been skeptical/curious of certain rehab narratives or treatment options as I come from a research background…"

July 22, 2024 · Mitchel Gibson