The Modern Pain Podcast
The Modern Pain Podcast
This isn’t another show about fixing people. Modern Pain Care Beyond the Fix is where clinicians, thinkers, and changemakers come to explore a more human, evidence-aligned, and sustainable approach to helping people in pain. Real conversations. Practical insights. No fluff. If you’re ready to grow beyond protocols and start practicing with more clarity, confidence, and connection—you’re in the right place.
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Why AI Can’t Replace Human Care in Chronic Pain

As AI continues to evolve and integrate into more areas of healthcare, many clinicians are asking: will we be replaced? In this episode, Mark Kargela and Ben Whybrow have a frank conversation about how AI is affecting clinica...

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July 6, 2025

Why AI Can’t Replace Human Care in Chronic Pain

As AI continues to evolve and integrate into more areas of healthcare, many clinicians are asking: will we be replaced? In this episode, Mark Kargela and Ben Whybrow have a frank conversation about how AI is affecting clinica...
June 22, 2025

Escaping the Medical Merry-Go-Round of Chronic Pain

Many patients are doing something about their pain—but they’re still not living the life they want. In this episode of The Modern Pain Podcast, Dr. Mark Kargela breaks down how to help patients zoom out and reflect on whether their care is truly moving them toward what matters most—or just keeping …
June 8, 2025

Why Your Inner Critic is Lying to You (And How to Take Action Anyway)

Struggling with self-doubt and distraction? In this episode of Modern Pain Podcast, I share the honest journey of overcoming procrastination, imposter thoughts, and finally creating something that matters.
May 25, 2025

Whole Person Physical Therapy Is Here | Matt Erb on Mindbody Integration

Send us a text Pain Practice OS Waiting List Matt Erb returns to the show for an insightful and wide-ranging conversation on the future of physical therapy. We cover the limitations of the biopsychosocial model, practical mindbody strategies, billing within the system, trauma-informed care, and how…
May 18, 2025

From Telling to Guiding – Transforming Patient Communication

Send us a text In this episode, I sit down with Ben Whybrow, a pain specialist physio in the UK and new community manager for Modern Pain Care, to discuss the critical role of communication in modern healthcare. We break down why the traditional, paternalistic approach to patient interaction falls …
May 11, 2025

Breaking Healthcare Silos: Rethinking Physical Therapy and Chronic Pain Care

Send us a text In this episode, I sit down with Cameron Faller, co-founder of the Institute of Contextual Health, to discuss the future of healthcare. We explore the challenges of traditional, siloed care models and why a more interconnected, person-centered approach is essential for better patient…

About the Host

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Mark Kargela

Host / Clinician / Faculty / Father / Husband

Mark Kargela is a physical therapist, educator, and founder of Modern Pain Care. With over two decades of clinical experience, Mark brings a refreshing, human-first approach to pain care—one that ditches the fix-it model and empowers both patients and clinicians to engage with complexity, uncertainty, and meaningful change. This podcast is where clinical skill meets real-life context, challenging outdated norms and offering conversations that help you grow your practice, your mindset, and your impact.

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"I’ve loved this podcast from its birth and so happy to hear Dr Kargela is not letting it go! The topics are always relevant to my day to day experiences as a physical therapist and I find the discu…"

Feb. 4, 2023 · John Tyschyk

Top Physical Therapy Podcast

"Great, informative podcast. All orthopedic PTs who treat patients with persistent pain should listen."

Feb. 4, 2023 · Christie Pong

Love it!

"The MPC crew consistently provide an up-to-date and nuanced take on the state of pain management and the physical therapy landscape. Highly recommended!"

Feb. 4, 2023 · Zachary Huff

Why I love my career again

"As a recent Chiropractic grad, I am beyond happy I came across this podcast. I have always been skeptical/curious of certain rehab narratives or treatment options as I come from a research background…"

July 22, 2024 · Mitchel Gibson